Comments on: ECMAScript and Internet Explorer http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/ Open Source Buddhism Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:10:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: backgammon online http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-363586 backgammon online Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:46:27 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-363586 I am really loving the new ECMAScript, however I agree that IE needs to take a more practical approach and focus on supporting already well-established standards I am really loving the new ECMAScript, however I agree that IE needs to take a more practical approach and focus on supporting already well-established standards

]]> By: RJ http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-79315 RJ Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:38:14 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-79315 Yup - understood, but I am harsh sometimes with my friends too, especially when I believe they may be doing the wrong thing .I think it is fairly widely understood that Chris isn't responsible for every decision made by the IE team. It is just unfortunate that he is currently the public face. Sorry if I gave the impression that I either thought it was personal or that it should be - it's business it should *never* be personal. And given the fairly widespread reaction to the post, I guess we can all understand why they don't post more information on IE8 as no matter what they post you can be fairly confident they'll get slammed by someone. I'd still like to know though so I can make decisions, or start to, for the future - at the moment I have to consider decisions based on IE7 even thought it won't be the targetted platform :( Yup – understood, but I am harsh sometimes with my friends too, especially when I believe they may be doing the wrong thing .I think it is fairly widely understood that Chris isn’t responsible for every decision made by the IE team. It is just unfortunate that he is currently the public face. Sorry if I gave the impression that I either thought it was personal or that it should be – it’s business it should *never* be personal.

And given the fairly widespread reaction to the post, I guess we can all understand why they don’t post more information on IE8 as no matter what they post you can be fairly confident they’ll get slammed by someone. I’d still like to know though so I can make decisions, or start to, for the future – at the moment I have to consider decisions based on IE7 even thought it won’t be the targetted platform :(

]]> By: Al http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-78805 Al Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:43:32 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-78805 I'm not sure if that's possible. I should be clear to everyone that I consider Chris a friend of mine. We've worked together at two different companies and were both on IE during IE4 together. While I may give the IE team crap about various things or have various desires for openness or communication, it isn't a personal issue with anyone there, especially Chris. I’m not sure if that’s possible.

I should be clear to everyone that I consider Chris a friend of mine. We’ve worked together at two different companies and were both on IE during IE4 together. While I may give the IE team crap about various things or have various desires for openness or communication, it isn’t a personal issue with anyone there, especially Chris.

]]> By: Chris Wilson http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-78802 Chris Wilson Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:41:08 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-78802 Keep Al quiet? Umm, no. Keep Al quiet? Umm, no.

]]> By: RJ http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-78710 RJ Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:23:08 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-78710 Yes, I saw the NDA comment - sounds like a diversion to get you to keep quiet, :( Fair comment about the codebase, and I don't think anyone would be surprised by internal bug metrics given the public ones :) Thank you for your attempts to get the IE team to discuss IE8 more widely - something even Dave Massy seems to have trouble doing .. unfortunately my confidence in IE8 is already shattered so it will always be 'that other browser that we'll fix last'. Yes, I saw the NDA comment – sounds like a diversion to get you to keep quiet, :(

Fair comment about the codebase, and I don’t think anyone would be surprised by internal bug metrics given the public ones :)

Thank you for your attempts to get the IE team to discuss IE8 more widely – something even Dave Massy seems to have trouble doing .. unfortunately my confidence in IE8 is already shattered so it will always be ‘that other browser that we’ll fix last’.

]]> By: Al http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-78674 Al Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:45:07 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-78674 As to why Microsoft won't use Gecko, from their point of view, why would they use someone else's software that isn't under their control? As to why Microsoft won’t use Gecko, from their point of view, why would they use someone else’s software that isn’t under their control?

]]> By: Al http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-78673 Al Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:44:36 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-78673 Since I've recently been (vaguely) threatened with comments that I may be violating my Microsoft NDA with my insider posts about IE, I must refuse to comment about what I know about the codebase. I'm not a code jockey though so it would be all impressions from having worked with developers and logged bugs over many years in IE. Since I’ve recently been (vaguely) threatened with comments that I may be violating my Microsoft NDA with my insider posts about IE, I must refuse to comment about what I know about the codebase. I’m not a code jockey though so it would be all impressions from having worked with developers and logged bugs over many years in IE.

]]> By: RJ http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-78671 RJ Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:42:36 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-78671 "Oh, by the way, we’re shipping a Firefox 3 Beta soon. Can you comment on when an IE 8 (or IE 7.5) Beta will be released?" $5 says we get IE8 announcements and/or info within 2 days of the FF3 beta. Is the IE codebase really as messy as I've heard (unsubstantiated rumour from a friend of a friend at the moment)? And if so why don't Microsoft just use Gecko and add their own Chrome (NiH withstanding)? “Oh, by the way, we’re shipping a Firefox 3 Beta soon. Can you comment on when an IE 8 (or IE 7.5) Beta will be released?”

$5 says we get IE8 announcements and/or info within 2 days of the FF3 beta.

Is the IE codebase really as messy as I’ve heard (unsubstantiated rumour from a friend of a friend at the moment)? And if so why don’t Microsoft just use Gecko and add their own Chrome (NiH withstanding)?

]]> By: Rowan http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-78461 Rowan Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:29:14 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-78461 > You don’t really know where IE is right now, only where IE7 is right now. :) Keep digging your hole. :) Speaking of Firefox 3, I've been using the alpha exclusively for the past couple of months without a [critical] problem. It's fun to stumble upon new features each day, today's build changed the favicon's appearance so that it looks more like part of the UI. Recently full-page zoom was added, I only found it by accident a few days ago. One of my favourite features though, is the ability to 'search' instantly in the address bar. I'm impressed with Firefox's stability and reliability. > You don’t really know where IE is right now, only where IE7 is right now. :)

Keep digging your hole. :)

Speaking of Firefox 3, I’ve been using the alpha exclusively for the past couple of months without a [critical] problem. It’s fun to stumble upon new features each day, today’s build changed the favicon’s appearance so that it looks more like part of the UI. Recently full-page zoom was added, I only found it by accident a few days ago.

One of my favourite features though, is the ability to ’search’ instantly in the address bar.

I’m impressed with Firefox’s stability and reliability.

]]> By: Al http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/31/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-78164 Al Thu, 01 Nov 2007 03:45:54 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/30/ecmascript-and-internet-explorer/#comment-78164 Oh, by the way, we're shipping a Firefox 3 Beta soon. Can you comment on when an IE 8 (or IE 7.5) Beta will be released? Oh, by the way, we’re shipping a Firefox 3 Beta soon. Can you comment on when an IE 8 (or IE 7.5) Beta will be released?

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