Comments on: Chris Wilson Speaks and the IEBlog Goes Dark http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/ Open Source Buddhism Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:10:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Al http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-58049 Al Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:51:07 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/#comment-58049 I'd like to believe that but that is a load of crap. You forget, I worked on IE6SP2 and IE7. I know almost all of the people on the team except for newcomers. The whole reason that the IEBlog was created (and I ran it for a year and a half so I should know) was to open communication up with the IE team. It had a huge effect on public perception of the IE team and on the interaction that the team was having with its community, especially web developers. It wasn't perfect but people were VERY happy that there was finally a line of open communication where they could talk to members of the team and they would see responses. No news is not good news, as you say. No news could very easily mean that the team has spent most of the last year working on Vista service pack 1 and security issues and very little working on IE8 or otherwise improving IE7. The re-release of IE7 the other day certainly does nothing to dispel that impression. As to how much they planned for post-IE7, I can tell you it was very much heads in the clouds thinking with very little concrete when I left IE in May, 2006. There were no details at that time, just a general tendency of thought in areas that IE8 would focus on. Any feedback now (if they gave the web something to give feedback on) would be useful. It is only noise when the only chance people have to give feedback are in Beta periods when all of the features are locked and very little to change. The earlier feedback is given, the better off it will be for the community because they might have a chance to have some effect on IE8's development. As to your first point, you could have said much the same after IE6 came out and they eviscerated the IE team, sending parts of it all over Microsoft. So, you're pretty much wrong on all accounts. Thanks for the feedback though. I’d like to believe that but that is a load of crap. You forget, I worked on IE6SP2 and IE7. I know almost all of the people on the team except for newcomers.

The whole reason that the IEBlog was created (and I ran it for a year and a half so I should know) was to open communication up with the IE team. It had a huge effect on public perception of the IE team and on the interaction that the team was having with its community, especially web developers. It wasn’t perfect but people were VERY happy that there was finally a line of open communication where they could talk to members of the team and they would see responses.

No news is not good news, as you say. No news could very easily mean that the team has spent most of the last year working on Vista service pack 1 and security issues and very little working on IE8 or otherwise improving IE7. The re-release of IE7 the other day certainly does nothing to dispel that impression.

As to how much they planned for post-IE7, I can tell you it was very much heads in the clouds thinking with very little concrete when I left IE in May, 2006. There were no details at that time, just a general tendency of thought in areas that IE8 would focus on.

Any feedback now (if they gave the web something to give feedback on) would be useful. It is only noise when the only chance people have to give feedback are in Beta periods when all of the features are locked and very little to change. The earlier feedback is given, the better off it will be for the community because they might have a chance to have some effect on IE8’s development.

As to your first point, you could have said much the same after IE6 came out and they eviscerated the IE team, sending parts of it all over Microsoft.

So, you’re pretty much wrong on all accounts. Thanks for the feedback though.

]]> By: hn http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-58007 hn Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:29:10 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/#comment-58007 patience is a virtue... the team's behavior can be logically deduced: 1) they wouldn't be doing nothing because of the ongoing browser wars 2) you'd rather they be busy at work than busy managing blogs, right? :-) 3) no news is good news 4) obviously, the team has already planned for post IE-7 way before they started working on it. Any feedback they get now will only serve as noise patience is a virtue…

the team’s behavior can be logically deduced:

1) they wouldn’t be doing nothing because of the ongoing browser wars
2) you’d rather they be busy at work than busy managing blogs, right? :-)
3) no news is good news
4) obviously, the team has already planned for post IE-7 way before they started working on it. Any feedback they get now will only serve as noise

]]> By: Al http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-57967 Al Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:42:45 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/#comment-57967 Oh, and now I see a nice backpat post on an IE7 re-release. Still no response for the repeated questions about what the IE team has been doing this last year. Who is running the blog, Chris? The last post read like a press release. Oh, and now I see a nice backpat post on an IE7 re-release.

Still no response for the repeated questions about what the IE team has been doing this last year.

Who is running the blog, Chris? The last post read like a press release.

]]> By: Al http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-57876 Al Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:35:39 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/#comment-57876 I understand why IE doesn't preannounce. I was there for IE7 after all (most of it). That being said, perhaps you can go down the hall and find out when people plan on actually doing something with the IEBlog again? :-) I understand why IE doesn’t preannounce. I was there for IE7 after all (most of it). That being said, perhaps you can go down the hall and find out when people plan on actually doing something with the IEBlog again? :-)

]]> By: Chris Wilson http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-57570 Chris Wilson Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:25:31 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/#comment-57570 Wow, not sure why some commenters waste their time. Al, please don't personalize this as "I think". That's the reason why we don't preannounce. -C Wow, not sure why some commenters waste their time.

Al, please don’t personalize this as “I think”. That’s the reason why we don’t preannounce. -C

]]> By: Dan Mosedale http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-57553 Dan Mosedale Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:47:48 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/#comment-57553 I appreciate seeing your IE-related posts in the planet.mozilla.org stream; it gives me a glimpse into parts of the competitive landscape that I wouldn't otherwise keep up with. I appreciate seeing your IE-related posts in the planet.mozilla.org stream; it gives me a glimpse into parts of the competitive landscape that I wouldn’t otherwise keep up with.

]]> By: pd http://www.openbuddha.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-56569 pd Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:38:19 +0000 http://www.arcanology.com/2007/10/03/chris-wilson-speaks-and-the-ieblog-goes-dark/#comment-56569 Microsoft is a joke. Clearly the IE must be hamstrung again. They've announced zilch about IE8 because they've been put on hold again for another 6 years. Microsoft, you're a disgrace. If you are going to be a monopoly, why the flip can't you be a benevolent one like Google? For once, just ONCE, do something for the benefit of someone other than yourselves, for no return. Improve the lives of those who are now (in many cases forced) to use your browser for so many tasks these days. Maybe this sort of altruism might help your karma and prevent the next version of Windows from being a complete disaster like Vista has been. Microsoft is a joke. Clearly the IE must be hamstrung again. They’ve announced zilch about IE8 because they’ve been put on hold again for another 6 years.

Microsoft, you’re a disgrace. If you are going to be a monopoly, why the flip can’t you be a benevolent one like Google?

For once, just ONCE, do something for the benefit of someone other than yourselves, for no return. Improve the lives of those who are now (in many cases forced) to use your browser for so many tasks these days.

Maybe this sort of altruism might help your karma and prevent the next version of Windows from being a complete disaster like Vista has been.

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